hmetal wrote:And I say the same to you. "Your standards are NOT the ONLY standards on this earth."
That's obvious. But I'm not here insisting the management do
this or do that. We're trying to find solutions for both.
Which in turn means that those of us who WANT to upload, see and otherwise allow nudity in popular galleries here on PBase should have equality where images are concerned.
Unless the owners, who are paying for the bandwidth associated
with both nudity and more active multi-partner activity decide
that's not what they want in the popular galleries.
The reason most won't have their own website for that is that
the price is enormous due to traffic ("popularity") and bandwidth
for this subject matter. SLUG would have to pay, too. I'm sure
they have a traffic meter and then they look at the gallery,
which is why the handling of TOS conditions seems hit and miss.
But it's not you who decides for everyone else. It's the
owners who pay for it. $23/yr won't do it.
Censorship is when something isn't allowed expression
at all. Popular Galleries are more like a privilege rather
than a right, to have them 'featured.'
Andrys wrote: I hardly find the female form ugly since I have one and
think it fine, in its place and where others have a right to
see or not see it in its barest mode w/o being surprised.
Welcome then, 'me lady. I agree about the surprise bit but not at the expense of us art/nude/glamour/other forms of nude images being banned from popular galleries. Think how great our PBase world will become once the admins and coders implement the content rating and filtering system they have planned.
Very much agreed. And now it's the implementation of
the plan that is of much interest.
hmetal wrote:I am more offended by your terminology for the female form than I have ever been by seeing nudes and porn.
Andrys wrote:Just how willingly dumb are you? It's not terminology for the female form but for the opening to the vagina that is very
much like a slit or, if loose, a hole. These are crude terms to show
you how crude it is it to some to just show these aspects of women
as if this is all that women are.
I knew exactly what you meant by a "slit," and I still have no use for the term nor anyone who uses it. It is, as you said, crude and you got just the response you expected and deserved.
Interesting how you describe your own words!
Yes, it deserved exactly what others feel about photos
of a type that are meant to view women ONLY as objects
of sexual gratification, rather than as forms of beauty.
Focusing only on sexual 'parts' is generally seen as
crude, in real life, and there are men who do even say
they are just looking for 'holes' and don't care what the
women look like. This would, in fact, make up a
considerable portion of pornography viewers. It could be
that Slug didn't make a photography base that specialized
in that or was known -for- that.
Anyone who thinks that *most* (yes, I know there are pigs out there who see it otherwise which is why I say most) nude photographers think women are just objects obviously doesn't understand the genre or is equally as narrow minded as those who truly objectify women themselves.
I don't think anyone here has said that.
But it's obvious with some galleries people have pointed us
to, that the models are advertising mainly their sexual parts
rather than the whole package. You may avoid the truth of this,
but some galleries are focused on getting men aroused and those are
going to be 'popular' -- but is that what PBase or Slug wants in
its popular galleries and does a member have the right to
insist they must have that in popular galleries.
In my case, I love women and I love to see y'all happy. My wife enjoys our photo sessions and never objects to her image being posted. I have also photographed other women who enjoy the freedom of nudity and I think they would also object to someone putting words into their mouths about being "objectified," when they are not at all.
"At all" is something you can't know. You do know that if it's
all you have, men will flock there, especially if they find it
arousing. The problem for some is, so will young boys, and then
will Pbase/Slug really want this, because pbase is already
being blocked for that, which means whole sets of people with
certain large ISPs can't see ANY of pbase, which is even more
blocking.
With the separate area and separate popular galleries (voluntarily
seen) that prob is solved. It'll be interesting to see which will or
would wind up most popular in this area. Will soft-core or mainly
nudes wind up in the dust? I think they will probably just disallow
pure pornography, once they have a good description of what that
is, for them. And then the rest will have a chance.
hmetal wrote:Andrys wrote:So we have been discussing filters and alternate popular galleries so we can make both groups happy or happier.
I can't wait!
It is not "idiocy" to want to please as many people as possible. It is not "idiocy" for me to want the same permissions (someone previously pointed out that it is not a "right") as anyone else who uploads images of their cats, squirrels, dogs, cats, kids games, etc.
No, you were demeaning those who did not want to see
these by surprise. You were railing at them. But most have
been talking about separate areas, and you just reacted
too quickly.
We pay to have our images here and we should all have the same allowances regardless of the content.
Tell that to the owner who pays for the traffic.
The choice of what the viewer sees should be that of the viewer, not the gallery owner.
Even in real life galleries, they choose the artist shown.
And that is based on what they have to show. Not everyone
has the right to be shown, even.
With the content system heavily discussed here and noted as "planned" by Emily, we will all have exactly that. Those who don't adibe by the "rules" should be banned from Popular photos and galleries. At least with the tagging system, those of us who can follow rules, will be able to upload our nudes and glamour and those who want to see them in Popular photos/galleries (and elsewhere) will have that choice.
Yes, the ideal plan is to have one "popular galleries" -
filtered, with user deciding on filtering. The probs will exist
when someone leaves their unfiltered set 'on' and someone else
comes to use the computer (we were talking offices and homes
but at home, at least, people should be responsible for what
they themselves do).
But the main problem comes with blocking by many large
ISPs for porn content. The availability of that in popular galleries
will likely still be a problem and cause blocking of all of pbase,
which is an even bigger problem.
So I'm for two sets of popular galleries. The unfiltered ones
and the default filtered one, mainly so that people won't be
blocked from seeing everyday photo images until they choose
the option themselves.
The added problem is that once they identify the traffic
associated with the unfiltered galleries, they will clearly be
more expensive, and uploaders may have to pay more to
share those photos. So, this is a HUGE prob for pbase.
- A