Censorship?

[nevadaoutback]

All of Don Northups galleries including the rain gallery have been removed from the popular galleries. Don has also been eliminated from the recent upload list.

Pbase is now altering and deleting the popular galleries at will. Thousands of hours of work has now eliminated from the boards of Don's.

Politics is one thing but Don's other galleries are another.
What gives is this revenge?
I am very disappointed, I thought photographs by Photographers (Artists )
are only censored if they are pornographic.
The Hate galleries started this and this is how they win?
These tactics are just awful. What next Burn the Books, imprison those who disagree with you, A polite request to cease and a suggestion to remove certain things would be in order, but the total eradication of ones work.

[mysticchyna]

I did not get actively involved in this political war on Pbase, but am in total support and of Don. What I'd like to know is if the Kerry gallery has been deleted as well. And what about that artists other galleries. Is he getting the same censorship? And what about Colors...what about her...she was a huge catylist in all this bullshit that has happened. If Slug is going to punish Don...he needs to treat the other parties the same...

Actually....this whole thing is out of control....

[clickaway]

Whilst I'm glad that the Political galleries have disappeared, its a shame that Don's 'proper' photographic galleries are not showing either. But I suppose it's some kind of punishment. Rather akin to a talented sportsman from being banned from so many matches because of improper behaviour on the pitch. Thats how life goes.

I did make the point in the other thread that photos taken from elsewhere go against PBase rules. This site is for our own photos and not those of others used to support our political views.

I'm glad that slug is now acting on what some of us say, as another users galleries were removed recently because of abuse of a different nature.

Ray

[lens]

i think it was right for pbase so should stop that political propaganda in a photographic gallery , we try to exchance ideas and photos not to get involved in that game , and by the way lots of people they agree.

[bestofdan]

although don and i have a political differience of opinion, don has helped me to come to accept that it doesn't make him and others who think like him a bad person. rain gallery is my absolute favorit and i have enjoyed various polotical debates, if he is on popular galleries then obviously the majority of pbase likes them and if u want to take away political gallerys then thats slugs ultamit choice but taking away rain etc.. is wrong!

[framewerkz]

There's a place for everything, and PBase is certainly not a place for political propaganda. Let's not forget the purpose of this site, which is one devoted to photography. If a user wishes to hijack his allotted space for the purposes other than which this site was set up, then I don't see he shouldn't be sanctioned appropriately.

Let's not confuse "freedom of speech" for "opportunity to pollute".

[ismo]

I can't seriously believe this has happened? what's going on at PBASE.COM???? does Pbease mean Political Base or Photography base????


[quote="mcguasch"]:?: All of Don Northups galleries including the rain gallery have been removed from the popular galleries. Don has also been eliminated from the recent upload list.

Pbase is now altering and deleting the popular galleries at will. Thousands of hours of work has now eliminated from the boards of Don's.

[framewerkz]

Let's not get totally bent out of shape over this. I'm sure normal programming will resume after November.

[sinushi]

I actually don't mind that galleries like mine (John Kerry is a Hack) have been deleted from the popular galleries page as they contained nothing but stolen images from around the web. That's gotta be against the rules here on pbase anyway. But Don's gallery, for example, and I'm sure there are at least a few more, contained purely original work and images available in the public domain. Such galleries should be allowed and not removed. If Don wants to post his political views and create his own artwork for it, he ought to be allowed to do so--after all it's his webspace--he payed for it.

My John Kerry is a Hack gallery has been fully deleted.

~Chris

[cjmorgan]

:These tactics are just awful. What next Burn the Books, imprison those who disagree with you, A polite request to cease and a suggestion to remove certain things would be in order, but the total eradication of ones work.

In fact, a polite request to cease and a suggestion to remove certain
things was respectfully done, and only met with the negative response
of "no can do." (that by the way, is a direct quote).

And that's most unfortunate. But if a civil and reasonable approach
does not work (and bad enough that one's conduct should even
reach that point) and if the owners or moderators are then put in
the most uncomfortable position of having to take direct action
themselves, then quite frankly, tough luck -- if someone creates
a disturbance, then they're basically flirting with the chance that
they'll get hit with sanctions, and in the real world, just a roll
of the dice about how far those sanctions will go.

So if you want to be outraged about something, be outraged about
Don's conduct in the first place, and the disturbance that's caused,
and the uncomfortable position that created for the owners or
moderators who are pretty much forced to respond to that.

It's not a matter of "burning the books" or simply "imprisoning
those who disagree with you", but PBase is a community, a microcosm
society if you will, and like any society, there are rules and
common sense etiquette, and if someone choose to be totally
self-centered and ignore all that stuff and in the process create
a disturbance, well geez, yeah absolutely, there are real life
consequences for that.

And you might not be thrill with that, but quite frankly, if you're
going to point any fingers of blame, it's not with moderators
and owners, but rather with Don himself.

So don't worry about it too much because my own guess is that
the no "book burning" parties are likely to start too soon; it's just
a bit of civility being restored to PBase. And again, if you want
to be pointing any fingers, point them at the fellow who's been
a disturbance to the peace.

CJ

[clickaway]

Chris,

I'm not going to say anymore about the 'Political' bit, but Don did include a fair number of photos that were not his work in his recent 'political' gallery. I'm sure others did too. These photos may have been in the public domain, but they shoudn't have been been in his galleries, or anyone elses, whatever their nature, political or not.

PBase is for your own photography.

[srijith]

Don's "The Beauty of Rain" seems to be back in the popular list.

[texindian]

Unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to see Don's gallery so I don't know what slant it took - the thing is that it should not matter unless he was showing some type of blatant savagery to children or such.

He paid his money and should be able to post what he wants. If others don't like his viewpoint, they can post their views in kind. I find it EXTREMELY distressing that the forum administrators chose to impose their viewpoint (obviously contrary to his) on him - and on me and all of us. And the best you can say in defense of your actions is that his images or posts were causing a 'disturbance' ? A disturbance to whom? You and others who have opposing viewpoints on politics? Gosh, I hope no one got injured or faced threats to their personal safety. That is, after all, the limitation on free speech adopted long ago by our Supreme Court. And you defend yourself by saying you gave him a chance to voluntarily gag himself and not voice opinions different than your own? And you think that censorship is the answer when someone violates the 'rules' you arbitrarily impose in this microcosm and 'all that stuff'? What an articulate response!! It is difficult to defend an untenable position, I suppose.

I guess 'in the real world' around here means the world in which the powers that be can impose their viewpoints on all others and when another viewpoint 'disturbs' them, they simply cut it off. I know a short maniacal German who would certainly have approved of such tactics.

[kikitiki]

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[kikitiki]

Chris,

I'm not going to say anymore about the 'Political' bit, but Don did include a fair number of photos that were not his work in his recent 'political' gallery. I'm sure others did too. These photos may have been in the public domain, but they shoudn't have been been in his galleries, or anyone elses, whatever their nature, political or not.

PBase is for your own photography.

Where does it say that Pbase is for your own photography? Also, ANYTHING on the net without a tradmark is PUBLIC domain, that means FREE for anyone to use!